??iljo · Jun 29, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Saw an assa run duncan HM and tank all restless dead.

They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might.

(imba)

Konker2020 · Jun 30, 2009, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Like most others I'm gonna have to say either luck or a bug.

Zamochit · Jun 30, 2009, 04:55 AM // 04:55

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Originally Posted by aka Easy

If this were true, shouldn't you survive lifesteal attempts when you 55 with regen from healing breeze or mending? The most the creature should be able to steal would be 55 health since it's ignoring prot spirit, but since you're using runes and mods to lower your health, it may be some game mechanic that works backwards from 600.

Rot wallows from MQSC lifesteal too, wonder if any of the speed clearers out there have noticed what you're saying here.

I agree regen doesnt normally save you from lifesteal, thats why I am wondering if its specifically a bug regarding succour

Mesmer in Need · Jun 30, 2009, 05:02 AM // 05:02

My guess is that when symbiosis dropped, he dropped below 0 health, similar to endure or defy pain. The lifestealing tried to take all the health it could (it will never steal more than the target has) which was only 1. However, since he was still under 0 his health was regening back to one and he wasn't killed because he never took any damage.

MisterB · Jun 30, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Please look at the screen shots. Symbiosis is not in the build, and nothing in the Veil uses it. The screens also show Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Touch both stealing just 1 life, consecutively, while the OP has 1 point of health remaining. This looks like some sort of bug or display error.

??iljo · Jun 30, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46

1hp regen=imba

Thats it.

AngeliqueSynner · Jun 30, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

I had a moment like that in Alliance Battles without Succor.
I was at 1 HP for almost 2 minutes, I killed 3 people while being attacked and didn't die.
O_o
I was invincible.
o:
I was using Illusion of Weakness an was degened beyond the 25% trigger.
Then was hit with what should have been a fatal shot at about 13 HP. Brought me to 1 and took my enchant away. So I'm assuming it triggered and I gained the health back, though it didn't show.
It's either that or I was the only one in a 2 minute lag-fit able to use my skills in real-time.
o_O

dark4190 · Jun 30, 2009, 06:33 PM // 18:33

OP here; let me start by saying I did not use symbiosis, so please rule that out.

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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Best 600 ever.

Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage.

ty for the compliment

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Originally Posted by 360??

Only theory I can think is that Succor keeps you alive with it's +1hp regen. Vamp touch only steal 1 hp and for some reason that regen is enough to counter it.

I do believe succor was the reason I was alive but why are they only doing 1 damage with their touch skills? (check out screenshots)

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Originally Posted by AmoebaInfectionTechnique

It must be the R/Mo with Patient Spirit..

No, It was at a constant 1hp, I didn't observe Patient on me once; not to mention my ranger was at a far distance maintaining QZ for me.

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Please look at the screen shots. Symbiosis is not in the build, and nothing in the Veil uses it. The screens also show Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Touch both stealing just 1 life, consecutively, while the OP has 1 point of health remaining. This looks like some sort of bug or display error.

Exactly. Why are they only stealing just 1 life? I'm not restricting the damage they can do to me in any way. (such as PS)

ty all for your posts. As I said before, the only time I died is when they physically hit me. I tanked there for a good 30 seconds with just the two or three of them left spamming touch skills.

tghoodoo · Jun 30, 2009, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by ??iljo

Saw an assa run duncan HM and tank all restless dead.

They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might.

(imba)

I'm sure it isn't because the grail, or somehitng regardin succor, this actually happend to me yesterday farmin that Sunreach Shield warrior boss. i was a perma sin so me and the guy who started this thread had completely diff skills and the such. i was degened down to 1 hp (by bleeding, and touch skills combined) and was getting those same two touch skills hit on me by 2 rot wallows at 1hp. i almost quit and warped back cuz i was sure i was dead, but i thought it was strange so i just watched. i actually was able to get the boss and Many other foes the whole time at 1hp. Even as touch skills were still comin in. only happend once for me so, i think it must be a combination of luck that relys on the fact of some weird unknown bug regarding touch skills.

360?? · Jun 30, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

You only have 1 HP to steal, so they can't possibly steal more.
"Touch target foe to steal up to 29...65 Health. "

tghoodoo · Jun 30, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by 360??

You only have 1 HP to steal, so they can't possibly steal more.

So why wasn't the 1hp taken? thats what i'm curious about.

360?? · Jun 30, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by tghoodoo

So why wasn't the 1hp taken? thats what i'm curious about.

...Cause it's a bug with Succor?

WhiteAsIce · Jul 01, 2009, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by tghoodoo

So why wasn't the 1hp taken? thats what i'm curious about.

Seems like it was taken, but because of Succor, it regen'd the health back. As someone had mentioned, the game treats the lifestealing in a different order than the regen, so the game never realizes that the character hit 0 health, and thus should die.

Enar. · Jul 01, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I think its not Succor.

See Picture

Same thing. Life Steal stops at 1hp.

Bill Clinton · Jul 26, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

This is a bug in any and all life steal skills. Thats all. They cant kill you with vampiric skills becauseit always leaves you with 1hp left.
However - there is a bug. If the skill that causes the life stealing deals more damage than the targets max health (i.e one hit of such a life stealing skill will kill you, even if you're at full health) then it will kill you regardless.
Some examples:
I have 100 hp, and something hits me with a vampiric bite that does 60 damage. It bites me twice, and I am reduced to 1hp. It cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill)
I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die.

There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's.

stretchs · Jul 28, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

... cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill)
I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die.

There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's.

Totally impossible, you cannot life steal for more than the amount of health you have, so life stealing at 100 health the max it could try to take is 100, 101 by game mechanics (which i know seem a bit broken in this instance) would only permit a 100 point steal.

Gennadios · Jul 29, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Witnessed a similar thing towards the end of the Silvetarm portion of slaver's exile in HM. I was resto healing and our tank set off a group of touchers.

Since life stealing bypassed all his armor bonuses, he went down to 1hp almost instantly. Strange thing after, I hit with spirit light/soothing memories 3 times, and he'd nearly instantly be brought down to extremely low (I assume 1) HP. Oddly he stayed alive for 6 seconds until being taken out by a lightning bolt from a Smoke Phantom.

If he had both Endure && Defy Pain he would have had in excess of 1k health at the time. I don't know if that has something to do /w the difference between it being fatal to 55's vs 600s. Was the first time I've witnessed anything like it.

Kashrlyyk · Jul 29, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

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Did he have health regeneration?

glacialphoenix · Jul 29, 2009, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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I was at 1 HP for almost 2 minutes, I killed 3 people while being attacked and didn't die.

Yeah, I saw this in AB too - my team attacked three people, and their HP stuck at 1 and refused to go down. On local they were saying they couldn't move, and we replied with 'you're invincible, too, by the way.'

The moment they could start moving again they died. =\

Lord Aro · Jul 29, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Posted something similar too not long ago, maybe something was changed in the engine handling vamp?
Had it happen again the other day too, luckily the guy died when he was wanded.

Jun 30, 2009, 01:53 AM // 01:53	#22
Konker2020 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: Exiled Forcez [Ex]	Like most others I'm gonna have to say either luck or a bug. Last edited by Konker2020; Jun 30, 2009 at 01:55 AM // 01:55..

Jun 30, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46	#27
AngeliqueSynner Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida, USA Guild: Sacred Storm [Strm] Profession: N/	I had a moment like that in Alliance Battles without Succor. I was at 1 HP for almost 2 minutes, I killed 3 people while being attacked and didn't die. O_o I was invincible. o: I was using Illusion of Weakness an was degened beyond the 25% trigger. Then was hit with what should have been a fatal shot at about 13 HP. Brought me to 1 and took my enchant away. So I'm assuming it triggered and I gained the health back, though it didn't show. It's either that or I was the only one in a 2 minute lag-fit able to use my skills in real-time. o_O Last edited by AngeliqueSynner; Jun 30, 2009 at 01:48 PM // 13:48.. Reason: I can't spell. >__<

Jun 29, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#21
??iljo Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: N/	Saw an assa run duncan HM and tank all restless dead. They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might. (imba)

Jun 30, 2009, 05:02 AM // 05:02	#24
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	My guess is that when symbiosis dropped, he dropped below 0 health, similar to endure or defy pain. The lifestealing tried to take all the health it could (it will never steal more than the target has) which was only 1. However, since he was still under 0 his health was regening back to one and he wasn't killed because he never took any damage.

Jun 30, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21	#25
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Please look at the screen shots. Symbiosis is not in the build, and nothing in the Veil uses it. The screens also show Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Touch both stealing just 1 life, consecutively, while the OP has 1 point of health remaining. This looks like some sort of bug or display error.

Jun 30, 2009, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#26
??iljo Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: N/	1hp regen=imba Thats it.

Jun 30, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16	#30
360?? Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: F͊̕҉̡͍̘͍̜̬̲̪u͒͗̍̽ͭ& Guild: F͊̕҉̡͍̘͍̜̬̲̪u͒͗̍̽ͭ& Profession: W/Mo	You only have 1 HP to steal, so they can't possibly steal more. "Touch target foe to steal up to 29...65 Health. "

Jul 01, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18	#34
Enar. Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Estonia Profession: W/	I think its not Succor. See Picture Same thing. Life Steal stops at 1hp.

Jul 26, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47	#35
Bill Clinton Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2009	This is a bug in any and all life steal skills. Thats all. They cant kill you with vampiric skills becauseit always leaves you with 1hp left. However - there is a bug. If the skill that causes the life stealing deals more damage than the targets max health (i.e one hit of such a life stealing skill will kill you, even if you're at full health) then it will kill you regardless. Some examples: I have 100 hp, and something hits me with a vampiric bite that does 60 damage. It bites me twice, and I am reduced to 1hp. It cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill) I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die. There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's.

Jul 29, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59	#37
Gennadios Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: N/A	Witnessed a similar thing towards the end of the Silvetarm portion of slaver's exile in HM. I was resto healing and our tank set off a group of touchers. Since life stealing bypassed all his armor bonuses, he went down to 1hp almost instantly. Strange thing after, I hit with spirit light/soothing memories 3 times, and he'd nearly instantly be brought down to extremely low (I assume 1) HP. Oddly he stayed alive for 6 seconds until being taken out by a lightning bolt from a Smoke Phantom. If he had both Endure && Defy Pain he would have had in excess of 1k health at the time. I don't know if that has something to do /w the difference between it being fatal to 55's vs 600s. Was the first time I've witnessed anything like it.

Jul 29, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44	#40
Lord Aro Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: /wiki user:aro Guild: DBU Profession: E/	Posted something similar too not long ago, maybe something was changed in the engine handling vamp? Had it happen again the other day too, luckily the guy died when he was wanded.